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Lakeroadster
07-11-2015, 05:02 PM
I have owned both but have never used a pole building as a workshop.

We are about to sign a contract on a pole building and I just wanted to solicit some advice before we pull the trigger.

For those that have used a pole building as a workshop, any disadvantages or things you would do differently?

Using a steel covered pole building just seems so much more logical, less maintenance than a wood covered painted building, plus there is a warranty on the pole building.

The shop is slated to be 30 x 44 with concrete floor and 2 post auto lift... more information here: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289293

GMCDAC
07-12-2015, 09:48 PM
Hello John, just got back from your neck of the woods about 24 hours ago. Lots of chores now after being gone 8 days!

I have been working in and on a pole barn for 23 years. Ran a business out of it too for 17 of those years. I love my shop almost more than the junk I have crammed in it. I worked on everything outside for 13 years before we built it. Got no clue how. Young and didn't know no better I guess!

Our shop is 30x45, 14' sidewall, full concrete floor. The steel sheets were 3' wide hence the size so there was no cutting lengthwise of any sheets. GO BIGGER if possible. All of the cost cutting we had to do was because of what we could get for a loan and we tried to get more like a 45x60 first.

I really wish we had floor drains and a bathroom. Get an insulated bay door(s). We barely had enough in the budget to use 3/4" thermax sheeting and a wrap for insulation and to this day that's all the insulation it has. Not super efficient energy wise but still will warm up just fine. I suggest finishing the inside by studding up and putting roll insulation and sheeting with sheetrock or anything you can afford right away. Our bay door and office door are both facing south so it is difficult to get a good breeze thru the shop when desired. I recently got a nice new old stock 3-0 house door so it will go on the north side some day, and will greatly improve the airflow at times.

Go with the highest electrical service you can right away if you use electric heat, welding, air compressor, etc.

Another thing you may run in to is the bay door/sidewall height you choose may barely clear the trusses so ceiling sheeting will have to go between the trusses rather than under. The gussets from the trusses to the posts will cause minor issues putting in a ceiling too.

You cannot use the trusses to pull engines or whatever. I built a gantry crane for that. It takes up space but that problem is worth it to me.

Hope this helps---DAC

Lakeroadster
07-13-2015, 09:06 AM
Thanks Doug, sounds like sage advice from a fella that has spent many hours in said building.

It'll have insulated doors and 100 amp electric. We had a nice 30 x 40 Lester building erected back in Ohio, but I used it for storage, never did much actual wrenching in it.

The 9 ft sidewall enables the building to not look so massive next to our small 1200 sq ft home.

Does your building have any roof vents for ventilation?
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John

Az Geezer
07-13-2015, 11:58 AM
A couple of thoughts.............
There is no such thing as too much garage..........
Plan now, so you don't wish you'd done it differently later.....
Although I do have hot and cold running water, I wish I'd done a full bathroom in my shop, maybe even a shower.
Plan good lighting............

BAGGED70C-10
07-13-2015, 06:34 PM
I want that Cad.. That would be so cool...:)

BAGGED70C-10
07-13-2015, 06:44 PM
A couple of thoughts.............
There is no such thing as too much garage..........
Plan now, so you don't wish you'd done it differently later.....
Although I do have hot and cold running water, I wish I'd done a full bathroom in my shop, maybe even a shower.
Plan good lighting............

I agree Bill.
I have a laundry room right off the garage with a toilet and sink. I want to enclose it with a shower all around it but Betty isn't to warm to the idea. It also a has a large tub sink which I do use quite a bit.

Az Geezer
07-13-2015, 06:54 PM
Yah, I've got a stackable washer and dryer, a utility sink, and a water heater, but...........
and I didn't hook anything up to the septic, so it's just a pvc pipe drain down to the orange tree............
Oh, and I have a redwood fence behind the shop........

GMCDAC
07-13-2015, 10:10 PM
Ours is that tall as I used to letter semi-tractors in it. They just fit if they had no windjammer on the roof. Personally I don't mind the shop being dominant, since I only sleep and shower in the house!-LOL! Even my on-line time is done out here in the office of our shop!

We have cold water only and use a cool looking 1950's porcelain steel kitchen sink and full under cabinet to clean up in. Furnace is also an old house unit, natural gas so someday I should get a small water heater. I don't want to use a bunch of my electrical service on an electric heater.

Oh Bill, I understand why you noted about the redwood fence!!!

No roof vents John, as the ceiling isn't in yet. Once that finally gets done I will probably cut in gable end vents.

DAC

Lakeroadster
07-14-2015, 08:11 AM
Got any lemon trees by the redwood fence Bill? :rolleyes:

Az Geezer
07-14-2015, 08:40 AM
Not yet............

BAGGED70C-10
07-14-2015, 07:43 PM
Ours is that tall as I used to letter semi-tractors in it. They just fit if they had no windjammer on the roof. Personally I don't mind the shop being dominant, since I only sleep and shower in the house!-LOL! Even my on-line time is done out here in the office of our shop!

We have cold water only and use a cool looking 1950's porcelain steel kitchen sink and full under cabinet to clean up in. Furnace is also an old house unit, natural gas so someday I should get a small water heater. I don't want to use a bunch of my electrical service on an electric heater.

Oh Bill, I understand why you noted about the redwood fence!!!

No roof vents John, as the ceiling isn't in yet. Once that finally gets done I will probably cut in gable end vents.

DAC

Doug, I have a 5 gallon 110 water heater. I really don't use it much. I initially bought it to give the horses bath's.

BAGGED70C-10
07-14-2015, 07:52 PM
Got any lemon trees by the redwood fence Bill? :rolleyes:

John,
I understand the redwood fence but what's the Lemon tree for?

Az Geezer
07-14-2015, 08:34 PM
pink lemonade?

Lakeroadster
07-14-2015, 09:24 PM
John,
I understand the redwood fence but what's the Lemon tree for?

Burt Monroe, the fella they made the movie "The World's Fastest Indian" movie about, had a lemon tree in his side yard. He pee'd on it daily.. so frequently he had a neighbor kid pee on it for him when he went to Bonneville to race his motorcycle........

http://www.times.co.nz/2006/who-watered-burt-munros-lemon-tree.html

True story supposedly.

BAGGED70C-10
07-14-2015, 10:53 PM
Burt Monroe, the fella they made the movie "The World's Fastest Indian" movie about, had a lemon tree in his side yard. He pee'd on it daily.. so frequently he had a neighbor kid pee on it for him when he went to Bonneville to race his motorcycle........

http://www.times.co.nz/2006/who-watered-burt-munros-lemon-tree.html

True story supposedly.

I remember that movie but, I guess not that really well...lol

Lakeroadster
07-15-2015, 08:59 AM
My recollections of movie scenes and movie lines reminds me, ironically, of a line from another movie:

"I seem to be able to retain all these facts, but putting them to any useful purpose is a different matter." Charles Morse, from "The Edge" 1997.

BAGGED70C-10
07-16-2015, 01:16 AM
Don't recollect off the top of my head

GMCDAC
07-16-2015, 07:34 PM
Doug, I have a 5 gallon 110 water heater. I really don't use it much. I initially bought it to give the horses bath's.

Thanks, Ron, I may have to check into a 110V version one of these days!

DAC

Az Geezer
07-16-2015, 08:45 PM
The one in my shop is 20 gallon (I think) and it's 110. I go it a Lowes or Homey Depot.

Lakeroadster
10-21-2015, 05:39 PM
The excavators got the pad for the pole barn leveled off today. Good timing.. we haven't had any precipitation for months. A little moisture is a good thing.

With any luck the GC will start drilling holes this week or early next week. Materials due to arrive next Tuesday.

I've got a build thread started over at The Garage Journal (http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=289293) ... but I'll keep you guys up to date.
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Now that I have drawings from Lester Buildings.... I created a CAD Model of the Barn. Creating the model is kind of like pre-building the barn, really helped me to understand the way "Lester" designs and builds their barns.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/ISO%20TOP%20LEFT_zpsxnr3xfj5.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/ISO%20TOP%20LEFT_zpsxnr3xfj5.jpg.html)

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/TRUSS%20CROSS%20BRACING%201ST%20BAY_zpsczujdyvn.jp g (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/TRUSS%20CROSS%20BRACING%201ST%20BAY_zpsczujdyvn.jp g.html)

I asked them to design cross bracing in the trusses that would still allow for me to build some lofts for storage. Their design is pretty slick. Barn is rated for 116 mph winds.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/TRUSS%20CROSS%20BRACING%203RD%20-%204TH%20BAY_zpsi6l68ovz.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/TRUSS%20CROSS%20BRACING%203RD%20-%204TH%20BAY_zpsi6l68ovz.jpg.html)

Getting excited.... looking forward to the build.

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John :rocker:
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John :hatwave:

Az Geezer
10-21-2015, 09:43 PM
You should be getting excited.......good times ahead!

GMCDAC
10-23-2015, 09:36 PM
Looks like a great shop, John! So cool you can draw what you are getting. Are you going to do some kind of floor drains?

DAC

Az Geezer
10-24-2015, 08:57 AM
Now we'll all be jealous..........

Lakeroadster
10-24-2015, 05:12 PM
No floor drains Doug.

I put some in the first building I ever did, back in the early 80's... and never used them.

Material for the barn is due to arrive Monday.. 10-26-2015. If there isn't a flurry of activity here this week I'm going to be one pissed off fella.

I've attached an outline drawing showing how I plan to build the interior floating perimeter walls. I'm using some cross bracing to move the loading down into the columns. This reduces the vertical deflection / stresses considerably in the center of the panels that result from hanging wall cabinets.

Why 2 piece wall construction, with upper and lower sections?

The building has a 2x6 wainscot girt mounted horizontally. That will become the transition between the upper and lower wall sections. See "Detail B & C" in the drawing for a visual.

The upper wall 16" on center studs allows for more fasteners to attach the wall cabinets to the studs.
The lower 24" on center studs are for attaching the T1-11 interior siding to the walls / building columns.



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Here's the Finite Elements screen shot of the lower wall:

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John :mad:

Lakeroadster
10-25-2015, 07:44 PM
I had a chance to do some CAD layouts of the lighting for the pole barn. I ended up with (3) lighting circuits:

(8) LED flood lights in the main "high" bay work area,
(5) LED flood lights above the workbench,
(4) LED's in the storage areas.

I figure I'll wire it for this.. if I need more light I'll go from there.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/Interior/CR-358-PB-003%20SHT%208_zpsbkfrifhd.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/Interior/CR-358-PB-003%20SHT%208_zpsbkfrifhd.jpg.html)

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John :cool:

GMCDAC
10-25-2015, 09:07 PM
Ha!!!---you're way over my head on this stuff!!! I just built my interior walls in my pole barn like in anything else, and put a sub-floor on top it for my loft. Been fine for over 20 years. I built houses for several years in my younger days and managed to remember how to do some of that. Now I want to build an extension to the sub-floor from the office over 10 more feet to another exterior wall.

I'm much messier than you and sure kick myself in the a$$ for not doing some kind of floor drainage but the budget was maxed out. I'd love to be able to wash and squeegee the floor now and then.

Looks like a great plan and the result will be awesome, John!

DAC

BAGGED70C-10
10-26-2015, 04:23 PM
I had a chance to do some CAD layouts of the lighting for the pole barn. I ended up with (3) lighting circuits:

(8) LED flood lights in the main "high" bay work area,
(5) LED flood lights above the workbench,
(4) LED's in the storage areas.

I figure I'll wire it for this.. if I need more light I'll go from there.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/Interior/CR-358-PB-003%20SHT%208_zpsbkfrifhd.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/Interior/CR-358-PB-003%20SHT%208_zpsbkfrifhd.jpg.html)

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/Interior/CR-358-PB-003%20SHT%209_zpsufg9lwb4.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/Interior/CR-358-PB-003%20SHT%209_zpsufg9lwb4.jpg.html)
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John :cool:

What LED lights are you going to use John?

BAGGED70C-10
10-26-2015, 04:27 PM
Ha!!!---you're way over my head on this stuff!!! I just built my interior walls in my pole barn like in anything else, and put a sub-floor on top it for my loft. Been fine for over 20 years. I built houses for several years in my younger days and managed to remember how to do some of that. Now I want to build an extension to the sub-floor from the office over 10 more feet to another exterior wall.

I'm much messier than you and sure kick myself in the a$$ for not doing some kind of floor drainage but the budget was maxed out. I'd love to be able to wash and squeegee the floor now and then.

Looks like a great plan and the result will be awesome, John!

DAC

Wash and wet vac the water up Doug.

Lakeroadster
10-26-2015, 11:11 PM
Looks like a great plan and the result will be awesome, John!

DAC

Thanks Doug.... time will tell.

What LED lights are you going to use John?

100 Watt LED flood lights. You can get them from Home Depot for about $22.00 dollars. They screw into an old school Edison style socket and use only 15 watts of electricity... and they last for 22 years :eek:.

Or so that's the story. Here's a link: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-100W-Equivalent-Daylight-5000K-PAR38-Dimmable-LED-Flood-Light-Bulb-435016/205213868

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John :hatwave:

Lakeroadster
10-26-2015, 11:13 PM
Some Assembly Required :wink:

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John :hatwave:

Az Geezer
10-27-2015, 08:30 AM
You're gonna be busy for a while, John. Have fun!

Lakeroadster
10-29-2015, 09:06 AM
I'm guessing the covering on the earth here is 75% rock, 15% sand and 10% organic material. Suffices to say the GC's plan to drill holes with an auger was a huge fail.

So a mini track hoe was brought in and all the holes were dug on 10-27-2015.

Then when I inspected the holes late afternoon 7 were not deep enough.

So the mini track hoe was brought back in and the 7 incorrect holes were reworked on 10-28-2015.

Then when I inspected the holes late afternoon 4 still aren't deep enough. They're close, close enough to rework by hand. Deviations vary from 2.5" to 7.75" to shallow. Interestingly enough the county inspector passed everything? :banghead:

The county inspector did tell us that the building needs an UFER ground. More information on that here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ufer_ground

We're getting there... lots or re-work, but we are getting there.

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30" Footer and 17" Puck
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30" x 42" Footer (for 2 posts)
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30" x 90" Footer (for 4 posts)
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The Crew
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John :hatwave:

Lakeroadster
10-30-2015, 07:52 AM
Another day of progress.

Mixed and poured half the 12" deep footers and installed all the 17" pre-cast pucks.

Installed 2 corner posts and we are currently in hurry up and wait mode:

All the 2 x 6 girts are attached by joist hangers. Lester Building sent double 2 x 8 joist hangers. They aren't your standard "Home De-pot" hangers, one flange is bent inward, the other outward. And there are left and right hangers.

And they shorted us on about half of the splash boards.


Then late afternoon we poured the rest of the footers with the help of a "mega machine" conveyor belt equipped concrete truck, which I must admit was waaaay cool.
Hopefully the hangers will show up tomorrow as promised,

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-10-29%20First%20Posts%20in%20Location/Poles%20In%20The%20Sky_zpsnbosshdz.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-10-29%20First%20Posts%20in%20Location/Poles%20In%20The%20Sky_zpsnbosshdz.jpg.html)

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John :hatwave:

Az Geezer
10-30-2015, 09:30 AM
Exciting times! Way cool!

GMCDAC
10-30-2015, 11:40 PM
The diggings may have some of that Rocky Mountain gold! Better pan some and see! This also may be a good time to get rid of some dead bodies----sorry lame attempt at Halloween humor! Wife and kids are in Ft. Morgan for the weekend for my sister-in-law's annual spookhouse she puts on.

There were no standards for my pole barn like that when it was built. Gawd I would have ended up with an unheated 10 by 20 one car garage with a 7' tall door budget wise if it had to be engineered that strictly by the county and codes!!

DAC

BAGGED70C-10
11-02-2015, 04:53 PM
I double the Pan for some gold. :ssshhh:

Lakeroadster
11-02-2015, 07:50 PM
Panning for gold.... :rolleyes:

Finished the installation and back filling of all the posts today. And the back ordered joist hangers arrive so tomorrow we can start installing girts.

Not real happy about the crews ability to locate the poured footers. All the main truss support columns fit onto the footers within specification, but one of the columns for the garage door side landed on the edge of the footer. They installed some class 6 aggregate beside the footer, compacted it and used one of the precast concrete "pucks" on top of the footer. Since this column has no real structural loading it was agreed to use this method and proceed.

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Lakeroadster
11-03-2015, 07:32 PM
Made good progress on installation of the end wall girts today. Really happy with the Simpson joist hangers. They make the attachment of the girts to the columns incredibly strong compared to toe nailing without hangers. The only down side is it's a bit time consuming.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-11-03/End%20Wall%20Girts_zpspyt0ot7r.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-11-03/End%20Wall%20Girts_zpspyt0ot7r.jpg.html)

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John :hatwave:

Markeb01
11-03-2015, 11:03 PM
Absolutely beautiful!!

Az Geezer
11-04-2015, 07:32 AM
I'm lovin' it!

GMCDAC
11-04-2015, 10:48 PM
This building looks like it will be way stronger than a stick built on a foundation! It just boggles my mind how different these are nowadays from my 24 year old one!

Great progress, John! Oh---- have you found any color in the pan yet?

DAC

Lakeroadster
11-05-2015, 07:50 PM
Doug I did find some white stuff in the pan this morning... snow. :ssshhh:

This "Lester" building is about the same as the "Lester" building we bought in the mid 1990's. If anything I think their quality is worse, not better.

On many of their laminated columns, made from (4) 2 x 6's nailed and glued together, you can see light between the boards. We have been c-clamping them and then screwing them together with 6" Trusslock screws.

The lumber is fair. Seems to be a lot of bark on the corners of the girts, kind of a pet peeve of mine. Whenever we go to Home Depot the wife and I will spend an hour picking through lumber to find the best, cleanest straightest boards with minimal knots.

I'm glad I specified the use of joist hangers, it keeps the splitting to a minimum, but there is still a considerable amount at the top of the hangers. Not a big deal since the hangers carry the load at this connection.

In truth, I've spent every day thus far with the crew. Why? Well the General Contractors attention to detail is lacking and the two workers are great guys, neither has ever erected a pole building.... so I'm acting as the QA guy, as well as doing a fair amount of work also.

I've never worked so hard.. for free.. on a project I am paying for. But I know I'll and up with a better product in the end.

Update: Pretty good progress today.. it's starting to look like a Pole Barn

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-11-05/Girts%20Finished%20-%203%20Trusses%20Up_zpsxbuugvl3.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-11-05/Girts%20Finished%20-%203%20Trusses%20Up_zpsxbuugvl3.jpg.html)

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John :hatwave:

Lakeroadster
11-08-2015, 07:35 AM
Finished installing the remaining trusses, and placed enough purlins to stabilize everything.

Here's a birds eye view:
http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-11-06/Aerial%20View_zps4oztzr9i.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-11-06/Aerial%20View_zps4oztzr9i.jpg.html)

Took the photo while on the roof of the house, installing the chimney for our new wood stove.

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John :hatwave:

Lakeroadster
11-09-2015, 10:07 PM
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John :hatwave:

Az Geezer
11-10-2015, 12:48 PM
John, I'm getting tired just watching your progress...........

GMCDAC
11-10-2015, 06:41 PM
The shop and fireplace look great, John! I'm WAY too lazy to burn wood any more! My first sign shop was wood heat and that was enough for me!

DAC

Lakeroadster
11-10-2015, 08:36 PM
John, I'm getting tired just watching your progress...........

Thanks Bill. I am truly tired of the day to day QA. But I have learned that if I want the building built per the drawing specifications I have to be watching every hour of construction. It seems to be working well though... the guys are following my mantra of "Build it by the drawings".

The shop and fireplace look great, John! I'm WAY too lazy to burn wood any more! My first sign shop was wood heat and that was enough for me!

DAC

Firewood, it keeps you warm 3 times... cutting the tree down, splitting the wood, and burning the wood.

I've done all 3 in the past... now I buy wood that is already split. I figure that now I'm just helping to empower the younger fella's.

Todays progress on Ye Ole Barn

Finished installation of cross bracing.

Working with the engineers at Lester we designed the cross bracing such that the maintenance bay (the bay with the lift) has no bracing, yet the other bays transfer the side loads on the barn without taking up a lot of space between the trusses.

Like most of the other components on this barn.... it is stout!

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John :hatwave:

Az Geezer
11-11-2015, 07:44 AM
We buy our firewood split, too. The yard we used to get it from closed up and I had to switch last year. The new place actually loaded and stacked it in my Longhorn for me. I couldn't talk them in to coming to the house and stacking it in the yard though.

Lakeroadster
11-12-2015, 07:04 PM
Finished the framing of the barn today. So far so good, happy with the finished product thus far.

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The crew is taking the next week off... the GC's daughter is competing in American Quarter Horse Show World Championship Show in Oklahoma City.
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John :hatwave:

Lakeroadster
11-16-2015, 10:25 AM
So we're in the final phases of framing my pole building. There is a considerable amount of left over lumber and the GC is acting like any left over lumber is his. :innocent:

The building materials came from Nebraska. I made one of the progress payments, a material payment, when the semi load of material arrived at our home.

The GC is merely the local rep for the company. He didn't order any materials for this project nor will he be sending any of it back.

So if anybody is going to keep the left over lumber, joist hangers, etc... it should be the guy that bought the building, right?

Opinions?

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John

Az Geezer
11-16-2015, 11:12 AM
I agree, it's your stuff............

GMCDAC
11-16-2015, 11:05 PM
I would think that if you ordered a materials package everything is yours including the leftovers. Mine wasn't a "package" or "brand name" building, but the contractor over two decades ago didn't want to mess with leftover stuff and told me to keep it if i wanted---I did of course!

Looks great!

DAC

Lakeroadster
11-23-2015, 09:02 PM
Hangin' steel... Progress today included finishing the rake soffit and trim, and rear wall panels. The trim is surprisingly time consuming, due to poor ergonomics and ladder time.

The front and rear fascia will get gutters that cover up the wavy steel. Lester does a nice job using lots of reveals to stiffen up the panels.

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I'm tired... not as young as I was last time we did a building. :gah:
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John :hatwave:

Az Geezer
11-24-2015, 07:25 AM
Lookin' Good!

Lakeroadster
11-24-2015, 08:26 PM
When I ordered the barn I specified (3) 10 ft ridge skylights. On my previous Lester building these were tall and stood up about a foot. They sent flat acrylic ridge caps... said they don't use the old style.

Well... We installed them on the barn today...... and the Wife and I truly hate the look of these on the building.

:mad: Looks like the roof is caving in where they are installed :mad:

Maybe they'll grow on us...... I doubt it.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-11-24/11-24-2015%20001_zpsvhlembij.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-11-24/11-24-2015%20001_zpsvhlembij.jpg.html)

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Thoughts and opinions?

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John :tongue2:

Az Geezer
11-25-2015, 07:53 AM
Hmmm........looks ok to me?

Lakeroadster
11-25-2015, 08:43 AM
Maybe we are just hypercritical at this point. :innocent:

I do know one thing for sure... installing the trim is taking way more time than I anticipated. Lot's of tin snip work and what seems like an endless amount of installing color coated screws with cordless screw guns..... which, by the way.... DeWalt battery packs last the longest vs Ryobi & Hitachi

The one neighbor thought she was hearing woodpeckers :blush:

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John :hatwave:

GMCDAC
11-25-2015, 11:21 PM
Looks fine to me, but with your lighting plan were they even needed? This has to be the most well built pole barn I've ever seen!

Sure sounds like you are doing too much labor on it since a contractor is supposed to be doing the construction. My doctor was telling me a couple weeks ago that guys "our age" (He's only a couple years older than me) seem to get life changing injuries just thinking they can hang off ladders like they did in younger days. Thanks Doc, nothing like a confidence builder when I want to do a bunch of ladder work around the shop this winter!---LOL! He is a great doctor and I think he knows I have some of those "hey hold my beer" moments yet.

DAC

Az Geezer
11-26-2015, 04:44 AM
And guys our age have more fun doing that stuff!

Lakeroadster
11-26-2015, 08:59 PM
Looks fine to me, but with your lighting plan were they even needed? This has to be the most well built pole barn I've ever seen!

Sure sounds like you are doing too much labor on it since a contractor is supposed to be doing the construction. My doctor was telling me a couple weeks ago that guys "our age" (He's only a couple years older than me) seem to get life changing injuries just thinking they can hang off ladders like they did in younger days. Thanks Doc, nothing like a confidence builder when I want to do a bunch of ladder work around the shop this winter!---LOL! He is a great doctor and I think he knows I have some of those "hey hold my beer" moments yet.

DAC

"hey, hold my beer"... classic :yes:

The plan is to have enough "natural" light to be able to work in the shop during the day with the doors up and only the ridge sky lights… no electric lights.

As for me doing to much labor… amen brother! I try to keep my feet on the ground while helping… I occasionally do some ladder work but nothing to high & the guys working on the barn are up to speed on that.

I will say that something is up with my right hand.. a bit swollen. The wife says I need to stop helping so much… but that's not who I am.

Thanks for your input fella’s… much appreciated.

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John :hatwave:

Lakeroadster
11-29-2015, 10:22 AM
Old man winter arrived Thanksgiving eve.... I have a feeling the slab won't be poured until Spring.

Oh well.... tis what it is.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-11-27%20SNOW/Pole%20Barn%2011-27-2015%20002_zpsulcduznr.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-11-27%20SNOW/Pole%20Barn%2011-27-2015%20002_zpsulcduznr.jpg.html)

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John:hatwave:

GMCDAC
11-29-2015, 07:19 PM
I'm already tempted to go move in with Bill! The nice fall we were having spoiled me, and it looks like Tuesday, when I have to go back to work will be the first day above freezing dang it! Pic is today.

It dawned on me another difference on our pole buildings, John. Mine has 3/4" thermax sheething on all exterior surfaces before the steel went on. I was thinking about your skylights and trying to remember why I had none then it hit me that they would have been useless!

DAC

Az Geezer
11-30-2015, 07:29 AM
As I type this, it's 32 degrees here. Should get better, though. The forecast says 76 for a high on Friday.

Lakeroadster
11-30-2015, 08:07 AM
.... Mine has 3/4" thermax sheething on all exterior surfaces before the steel went on. I was thinking about your skylights and trying to remember why I had none then it hit me that they would have been useless!
DAC

My roof has 2" thick rolled insulation. It is just rolled back at the skylights..... the skylights double as vents also.

If I had mine to do over I would have installed wafer board sheathing on the roof before the sheet metal. Much stronger and prevents the metal from being deformed during installation.

Live and learn.

So is thermax like styrofoam, or is it that fiberous material that is made from cellulose?

John

GMCDAC
11-30-2015, 10:43 PM
Thermax is a high-density foam with aluminum layer on both sides. That may be a brand name, not the general name. I always called the fiberous stuff "Celotex" although that was a brand name too.

I don't think you will have a weak roof structure without the waferboard. Your truss design already has all that taken care of!

DAC

Lakeroadster
12-01-2015, 09:25 AM
I don't think you will have a weak roof structure without the waferboard. Your truss design already has all that taken care of!

DAC


Agreed, the strength is there.

My point was from an appearance and installation perspective, putting down some sheathing has some definite advantages.

Live and learn, eh?

And speaking of which.... Anybody want to buy a barn?

So the guys come to install the overhead doors last Friday.... but they are 8 ft doors and the building headers are framed at 9 foot. Screw up by the General Contractor.

The guys show up for work today, I tell the GC I'll rework the 3 headers (I'm a hot rodder so headers are right up my alley) so they can hang sheet metal. I keep an eye on the GC and his helper in the morning and they do an acceptable job. A few small scratched here and there, but overall a good job.

After lunch another worker shows up and the GC and the two workers got a lot of work done.... and I got 3/4'ths of the header rework done.

So they are gone and I walk around to look at the work they did after lunch and what a freaking nightmare. Scratches down to bare metal, kinked up panels, screws over tightened to the point of bending the panels, screws that missed their support boards all together.

I call the GC and chew his ass... he said he was expecting the call. Really, why didn't he say something? Then he says he saw it earlier and chewed out the workers. That's BS, I was there all day.

I'm at a bit of a loss as to why they did such a crappy job, and of course it's the side by the man door, the one we'll go in and out of, the one I told them to take special care to make look the nicest of the entire barn..... I'll be telling him the steel they hung in the afternoon all needs replaced.

Aarggh.

I helped the GC install the panels on the back of the barn.... it's not rocket science. Just a little care and attention and there aren't scratches. A simple look at the girts before panel placement tells you a lot about screw placement and when placing screws you don't "drive em home", you run them until they are about to touch, and then finese them by watching how the steel reacts around them.... such that you don't buckle the steel.

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John :hatwave:

GMCDAC
12-01-2015, 11:01 PM
Damm that's pretty sad workmanship---I know you will get it done right, just hope they don't drag you out bad on it.

DAC

Lakeroadster
12-02-2015, 09:15 PM
Damm that's pretty sad workmanship---I know you will get it done right, just hope they don't drag you out bad on it.

DAC

Status as of 12-01-2015:


GC is ordering new steel on his dollar. Crew pulled until steel arrives.

I've decided to postpone concrete, electric and driveway until spring.


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John :hatwave:

Woogeroo
12-05-2015, 07:54 AM
Tell 'em to hang up their cell phones and hang steel!

:D

Glad that is getting straightened out.

-W

Lakeroadster
12-05-2015, 10:25 AM
Thanks fellas.

These guys are going to get tired of me real quick this week.... From a Quality Assurance perspective: I'm going to be on them like a Duck on a June Bug.

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John :hatwave:

64tonka
12-05-2015, 10:24 PM
OMG this kind of work just makes me so mad , money comes for these projects over yrs (well for me) and when the GC act's like this and allows this kind of work on his crew I just want to ask him so would he allow this on his own shop ? Hmm I think not ! anyway i'm sure you will kick their but and get this taken care of.

good luck
Henry

Lakeroadster
12-05-2015, 11:02 PM
Thanks Henry

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John :hatwave:

Lakeroadster
12-14-2015, 08:07 PM
Overhead door and man door... installed.

Downspouts..... installed.

Still have more trim items to install and the windows are wrong... they were supplied as 4 ft high x 3 ft wide... we wanted 4 ft wide x 3 ft high.

The barn is lookin' pretty good.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-12-14/12-13-2015%20Pole%20Barn%20002_zpsnww71znp.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-12-14/12-13-2015%20Pole%20Barn%20002_zpsnww71znp.jpg.html)

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John :hatwave:

GMCDAC
12-14-2015, 11:26 PM
Looks great John! I like how the overhead door follows the truss pitch to allow clearance for your hoist. Did you bring your old one or getting new? If you threw some hay bales around the base for now you could start tinkering in there!---JK. I was painting signs in mine before the concrete was poured sitting buy a little propane bottle heater!

Looks like you have had some wind with that snow.

Thanks for the update!---DAC

Lakeroadster
12-15-2015, 05:19 PM
Looks great John! I like how the overhead door follows the truss pitch to allow clearance for your hoist. Did you bring your old one or getting new? If you threw some hay bales around the base for now you could start tinkering in there!---JK. I was painting signs in mine before the concrete was poured sitting buy a little propane bottle heater!

Looks like you have had some wind with that snow.

Thanks for the update!---DAC

Thanks Doug.

The main bay, with the door track following the purlins, is the reason the building is 2 months behind schedule. Too much back and forth with the Lester engineers.... getting them to understand and then implement what I wanted.

Yes, my Rotary lift is sitting, in pieces, against the walls of our attached garage.

I'm trying to resist the urge to move a bunch of stuff into the barn 'cause it will all have to come out for the concrete prep and pour.

I did however take some time today to reorganize the remaining materials laying about and thus I can now park my trailer and Tacoma pickup in the barn.

That's a good thing, I'm OCD about stuff being out in the elements.

At our previous home folks used to say:
"I drive by your place but it never looks like anybody is home".

Yeah, exactly: "A place for everything, and everything in it place".

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-12-15/Tacoma%20in%20the%20barn_zpshuqxng24.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-12-15/Tacoma%20in%20the%20barn_zpshuqxng24.jpg.html)

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Here's some photo's off some more bad workmanship I noticed today that will need reworked. If I take my attention off these guys for a moment, I end up with this...

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-12-15/Downspout%20Front%20with%20text_zpsubkde7dm.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-12-15/Downspout%20Front%20with%20text_zpsubkde7dm.jpg.ht ml)

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http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-12-15/Corner%20Trim%20Gap_zpsl255dsub.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2015-12-15/Corner%20Trim%20Gap_zpsl255dsub.jpg.html)

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John :hatwave:

Az Geezer
12-15-2015, 05:32 PM
John,
We're the same way, between my shop and the 5 car garage, everything gets put away, all 6 Chevy's, the golf cart, the go-cart, the John Deere, the D.R.Grader, the only things outside are the water trailer, car trailer, and the junk trailer. Well, that was how it was........until the kids wanted their 67 Malibu wagon, which is still in my shop. Now my 71 C30 stays outside.......until the wagon runs, get's put in their name and off my insurance.
The garage doors are always down, so you don't know if we're here or not. People we know know to call first. Our driveway is over 500 feet long, and we have two driveway monitors, so if we're home, and you drive up the driveway, we'll know it.

GMCDAC
12-16-2015, 09:27 PM
I can only wish that everything had a place and was in it's place! You just as well keep stuff in there that's mobile for now, John. Gawd I need one of them hoists too---more wishing!!

It's looking like they are gonna have to re-skin most of that bulidling. Crappy workmanship is gonna take any profit from that job from the GC!

DAC

Lakeroadster
12-17-2015, 04:50 PM
It's looking like they are gonna have to re-skin most of that bulidling. Crappy workmanship is gonna take any profit from that job from the GC!

DAC

The crazy thing Doug is that I get upset about workmanship, tell the contractor and he says "Don't get mad at me, I told the workers."
Then I tell him "Great, but what's that do for me, it still looks like crap".

He's a nice guy, really, and he does good work himself, but they guys he picked to help are not, how should I put it, quality oriented individuals. And he's the GC, so it's his bad.

The barn is, well, best described as a 30 footer :grin:
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John :hatwave:

Az Geezer
12-17-2015, 08:09 PM
Keep after them, John..........they won't have to look at it when they're done........you will, and it would aggravate you all the time.

Lakeroadster
01-16-2016, 05:39 PM
Some updated cad views.... I put the project on hold until spring so we can pour the floor without worrying about the concrete freezing.

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Rich 5150 69
01-17-2016, 08:14 PM
Looking good John, nice space to work...hang out..!

Lakeroadster
01-19-2016, 06:56 PM
Thanks Rich.

My current hurdle is trying to decide if I want to leave the (2) trusses in the main bay exposed... or cover them up when I insulate.

Having made a living as a Mechanical Engineer I kind of like the look of exposed structural components. And these two ply trusses have 2 x 10 upper and 2 x 8 lower chords... they're pretty awesome.

I'm thinking of staining them and leaving them.....

Oh well, decisions for another day.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/Interior/Truss%20amp%20Doors%20Main%20Bay_zpsak0vrxoj.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/Interior/Truss%20amp%20Doors%20Main%20Bay_zpsak0vrxoj.jpg.h tml)

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John
:hatwave:

Lakeroadster
08-06-2016, 09:18 PM
...Update your shop thread sometime.

DAC

Well said Doug. It has been a while since I've visited the site here... here's those barn updates:

Fired the General Contractor... took on the remainder of the Contracting myself. The guy had more excuses than Carter's has liver pills.

The guys did a great job on the sub-grade prep and fill work for the slab.

Mini-Excavator with compactor
Jumping Jack
Roller

Leveling layer is screened native soil
Sub-Grade Fill is Modified Class 6

The existing soil was 1st compacted with the Excavator,
The leveling layer and the fill were each individually compacted by the Excavator / Jumping Jack and Roller.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-05-02%20Slab%20Sub%20Grade%20Prep%20and%20Backfill/SSBCampBF%20001_zpsv7bd9l8s.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-05-02%20Slab%20Sub%20Grade%20Prep%20and%20Backfill/SSBCampBF%20001_zpsv7bd9l8s.jpg.html)

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Looked so much better with the back fill and grading around the exterior.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-05-02%20Slab%20Sub%20Grade%20Prep%20and%20Backfill/SSBCampBF%20018_zpsrmdmpnfb.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-05-02%20Slab%20Sub%20Grade%20Prep%20and%20Backfill/SSBCampBF%20018_zpsrmdmpnfb.jpg.html)

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The guys used a laser transit and strings to screed the sub-grade, then ran over the finished grade with a plate compactor.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-05-03%20Sub-Grade%20Screeding%20-%20Density%20Testing/SSBCampBF%20020_zps93a6qx0w.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-05-03%20Sub-Grade%20Screeding%20-%20Density%20Testing/SSBCampBF%20020_zps93a6qx0w.jpg.html)

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Had the local testing facility come out and perform density testing on the slab sub grade using a Troxler 3450 calibrated nuclear moisture - density gauge.

6 readings were taken, average was 97.45%, variance of readings were within 3.0%.

For 160 dollars that's money well spent to know the sub-grade compaction is good, and that it is consistent.
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Prepping for density test. This fixture allows the technician to drive a solid round bar into the compacted base to a fixed depth. The pin is then removed which leaves a hole for the test instrument probe.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-05-03%20Sub-Grade%20Screeding%20-%20Density%20Testing/Density%20Testing%20001_zps7qyx1zcw.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-05-03%20Sub-Grade%20Screeding%20-%20Density%20Testing/Density%20Testing%20001_zps7qyx1zcw.jpg.html)

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The device is calibrated by the technician. Calibration is done based on a "Proctor" test that is performed on the material used as the fill.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-05-03%20Sub-Grade%20Screeding%20-%20Density%20Testing/Density%20Testing%20002_zpspl9vzypc.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-05-03%20Sub-Grade%20Screeding%20-%20Density%20Testing/Density%20Testing%20002_zpspl9vzypc.jpg.html)

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The device measures the moisture content with one fixed probe, and the main probe is lowered into the sub base and reads the density of the compacted sub-base.

The two readings are needed to determine the compaction.

Lakeroadster
08-06-2016, 09:30 PM
I tried to do everything I could to ensure the concrete slab will float and be able to rise and fall independent of the columns and barn structures.

The splash boards are attached to the columns with angle brackets using hex head structural screws.

In order to prevent the concrete from locking onto the screws, and to help minimize the stresses in the concrete due to reentrant corners and outside corners I came up with the idea of using concrete expansion joint boards around the columns.

I used my 4" angle grinder to radius the outside corners and then used some Tyvek tape to make a smooth surface.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-05-07%20Concrete%20Expansion%20Board%20For%20Slab/Column%20Isolation%20Enclosures%20002_zpsbspfpizg. jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-05-07%20Concrete%20Expansion%20Board%20For%20Slab/Column%20Isolation%20Enclosures%20002_zpsbspfpizg. jpg.html)

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I also shimmed out under the man door threshold using the same concrete board material.

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My wife and I installed the concrete wire mesh support dobies. The orange painted steel posts are where the 2 post lift will be, and the others are where the slab goes from level, to sloped.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-05-14%20Dobies%20B%20Us/Dobie%20001a_zpsztq7liwn.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-05-14%20Dobies%20B%20Us/Dobie%20001a_zpsztq7liwn.jpg.html)

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We used steel construction joint keys and then installed some plastic sheathing to keep the concrete off the steel. You can also see the spray foam we used in the column enclosures. We used the "rodent / pest resistant" foam... it has some additive that the rodents dislike.... or so the marketing folks there tell us.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-05-20%20Ready%20To%20Pour/BoMetal%20Construction%20Key%20002_zpscisqm5s1.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-05-20%20Ready%20To%20Pour/BoMetal%20Construction%20Key%20002_zpscisqm5s1.jpg .html)

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Lakeroadster
08-06-2016, 10:03 PM
The Slab:

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-06-05%20No%20Plastic%20-%20Too%20Many%20Air%20Gaps/DSCF2218_zpsts9xp0vi.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-06-05%20No%20Plastic%20-%20Too%20Many%20Air%20Gaps/DSCF2218_zpsts9xp0vi.jpg.html)

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The Driveway (crushed compacted concrete, covered by crushed compacted asphalt:

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-06-24%20Driveway%20Done%20-%20Barn%20Done%20-%20Sealer/Driveway%20Day%204%20001_zpsetmwbtck.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-06-24%20Driveway%20Done%20-%20Barn%20Done%20-%20Sealer/Driveway%20Day%204%20001_zpsetmwbtck.jpg.html)

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-06-24%20Driveway%20Done%20-%20Barn%20Done%20-%20Sealer/Barn%20Done%200012jpg_zpstofdpcu6.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-06-24%20Driveway%20Done%20-%20Barn%20Done%20-%20Sealer/Barn%20Done%200012jpg_zpstofdpcu6.jpg.html)

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-06-24%20Driveway%20Done%20-%20Barn%20Done%20-%20Sealer/Barn%20Done%20005_zpsiv8fuooe.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-06-24%20Driveway%20Done%20-%20Barn%20Done%20-%20Sealer/Barn%20Done%20005_zpsiv8fuooe.jpg.html)

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-06-24%20Driveway%20Done%20-%20Barn%20Done%20-%20Sealer/Barn%20Done%20004_zpswhpnph9g.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-06-24%20Driveway%20Done%20-%20Barn%20Done%20-%20Sealer/Barn%20Done%20004_zpswhpnph9g.jpg.html)

The wife and I built the loft and center wall.

Loft: The "cattle panel" wire mesh keeps the stuff from the loft from falling on the cars below... a good feature, eh?

Center Wall:The Tyvek will help keep the "filth" from my mad fabrications in the 1st bay, from getting into the 2nd and 3rd bays. The windows and man door are exterior units. The big opening in the back will be filled with the re-purposed garage door from our attached garage.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-07-02%20Loft%20Day%203/Loft%20000_zps8divnxep.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-07-02%20Loft%20Day%203/Loft%20000_zps8divnxep.jpg.html)

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-07-02%20Loft%20Day%203/Loft%20002_zpsqbbrdmh1.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-07-02%20Loft%20Day%203/Loft%20002_zpsqbbrdmh1.jpg.html)

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-07-02%20Loft%20Day%203/Loft%20004_zpsdypnairl.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-07-02%20Loft%20Day%203/Loft%20004_zpsdypnairl.jpg.html)

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-07-29%20Divider%20Wall/Wall%20001_zpsoanczm56.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-07-29%20Divider%20Wall/Wall%20001_zpsoanczm56.jpg.html)

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-07-29%20Divider%20Wall/Wall%20003_zps2tlkqikt.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-07-29%20Divider%20Wall/Wall%20003_zps2tlkqikt.jpg.html)

And here is the current status. Barn work is (kind of) on hold... focusing on renovating the attached garage now that we can move it's contents into the barn. But... the 2 post Rotary lift we will install in the barn... gotta get it back up and operational!

Finished up the divider wall, except for hanging siding. Since this is a floating wall, to allow for slab movement, here are some photo's that detail how the wall is "trapped" by the columns and trusses, yet not physically attached to either.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-07-30%20Divider%20Wall/Wall%20Support%20000_zpscqzdbneu.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-07-30%20Divider%20Wall/Wall%20Support%20000_zpscqzdbneu.jpg.html)

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We temporarily hung some of the left over barn siding. I was going to go with the ribs on a vertical pattern, but we are now thinking horizontal may work better. My only concern is dust/dirt accumulating on the ribs.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-07-30%20Divider%20Wall/Wall%20001_zpsji6hnnqm.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-07-30%20Divider%20Wall/Wall%20001_zpsji6hnnqm.jpg.html)

Az Geezer
08-07-2016, 01:50 AM
Dang! Nice!

GMCDAC
08-14-2016, 08:26 PM
Thanks for the update John, just got home from your neck of the woods. Great looking shop! A lot of what you are doing is way over my head but I bet you are looking forward to actually getting some skinned knuckles working on your hot rods in there!

DAC

Lakeroadster
08-15-2016, 07:57 PM
Thanks for the update John, just got home from your neck of the woods. Great looking shop! A lot of what you are doing is way over my head but I bet you are looking forward to actually getting some skinned knuckles working on your hot rods in there!

DAC

Indeed I am Doug.

We're currently rennovating the attached garage (new doors, windows, insulation and sheathing) so my "neat shop projects" will have to wait.

And the hot rods have been waiting too. My Model T needs the Holley re-built, the secondaries have sticky valves again and are drowning out the rear 4 cylinders.

The mechanical secondary double pumper 4 barrel Holley carb I have on the '27 seems to have issues with this.... but the vacuum secondary double pumper on my '31 has been flawless.

Wonder why?

Lakeroadster
09-06-2016, 09:02 AM
Finished the Rotary lift installation...

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-09-03%20Rotary%20Lift%20Installation%20Complete/Rotary%20In%20Da%20Barn_zpszlk3kxhz.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-09-03%20Rotary%20Lift%20Installation%20Complete/Rotary%20In%20Da%20Barn_zpszlk3kxhz.jpg.html)

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-09-03%20Rotary%20Lift%20Installation%20Complete/Tacoma%20On%20The%20Lift_zpsggszqur6.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-09-03%20Rotary%20Lift%20Installation%20Complete/Tacoma%20On%20The%20Lift_zpsggszqur6.jpg.html)

The wife and I are making good progress on our attached garage renovation too. Once we get that done I can focus on getting the barn wall reinforced for the wall cabinets. I'm still pretty much working projects out of boxes of tools... which is a bit tedious.

1st world problems :giggle:

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John :hatwave:

Az Geezer
09-06-2016, 11:15 AM
John..........you've made excellent progress............nice work!

Lakeroadster
10-27-2016, 09:16 AM
I wanted a wall to isolate the car storage from the tool storage but we held off to see if it was really needed. It is... lumber is much cheaper than body work.

Also installed one of the used overhead garage doors from our attached garage renovation into the maintenance bay wall.

Lights, outlets, compressor and welder wiring is next.

Did ya'll know the NEC allows use of 15 amp receptacles in a 20 amp circuit? They do. The UL requires 15 amp receptacles to be built to "pass through" 20 amps. Learned something new... old dogs, new tricks.

You can also see the garage door screen in the last photo. It was only about $100..... I added velcro to the bottom of the door and it attaches there. I like it mostly because you can see out... but folks can't make out what you're doing, or what's in your shop. Yeah, I'm not a very "trusting" soul.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-10-23%20Interior%20Update/MB%20Front%20E_zpsffzrerks.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-10-23%20Interior%20Update/MB%20Front%20E_zpsffzrerks.jpg.html)

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http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-10-23%20Interior%20Update/MB%20Rear%20W_zpsiekgghat.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2016-10-23%20Interior%20Update/MB%20Rear%20W_zpsiekgghat.jpg.html)

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John :hatwave:

Lakeroadster
07-26-2017, 11:12 PM
Some photo's of the trimmed out wall... Looks "Barnish"

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2017-02-18%20Interior%20Trim%20Day%203/Dividing%20Wall%20003_zps0sjsoeds.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2017-02-18%20Interior%20Trim%20Day%203/Dividing%20Wall%20003_zps0sjsoeds.jpg.html)

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2017-02-18%20Interior%20Trim%20Day%203/Dividing%20Wall%20006_zpsdsgz5glf.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2017-02-18%20Interior%20Trim%20Day%203/Dividing%20Wall%20006_zpsdsgz5glf.jpg.html)

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2017-02-18%20Interior%20Trim%20Day%203/Dividing%20Wall%20004_zpsjsfnbqum.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2017-02-18%20Interior%20Trim%20Day%203/Dividing%20Wall%20004_zpsjsfnbqum.jpg.html)

Az Geezer
07-27-2017, 12:40 PM
Very impressive!

Lakeroadster
10-02-2017, 07:54 PM
Got tired of using my big Werner heavy duty A-Frame ladder to access stuff in the loft.. so I built a stairway.

Fun project.

Lots of great storage space under the stairway.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2017-09-23%20Stairway%20Day%203/Stairway%20With%20Railing_zpsxnx94bxu.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2017-09-23%20Stairway%20Day%203/Stairway%20With%20Railing_zpsxnx94bxu.jpg.html)

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Used My RAS To Bevel The Vertical Railing Boards

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2017-09-23%20Stairway%20Day%203/Stariway%20Railing%20Detail%20001_zpsv29rxzdo.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2017-09-23%20Stairway%20Day%203/Stariway%20Railing%20Detail%20001_zpsv29rxzdo.jpg. html)

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Newel Post Attachment at Landing. I modified some Simpson Brackets To Fit The Bevels.

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2017-09-23%20Stairway%20Day%203/Stairway%20Newel%20Post%20Attachment%20at%20Landin g_zpsb9v9bhyn.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2017-09-23%20Stairway%20Day%203/Stairway%20Newel%20Post%20Attachment%20at%20Landin g_zpsb9v9bhyn.jpg.html)

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Accessing stuff in the loft is now a breeze

http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/uu176/lakeroadster/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2017-09-23%20Stairway%20Day%203/Loft_zpshfzyhacn.jpg (http://s645.photobucket.com/user/lakeroadster/media/Shop%20Photos/BV%20Shop/2017-09-23%20Stairway%20Day%203/Loft_zpshfzyhacn.jpg.html)

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:hatwave: John

Az Geezer
10-03-2017, 08:21 AM
Great job, John........wish I had that much space for storage..........